FSU AD Michael Alford Possibly Hints At Big 10 Move During Chicago Boosters Event (2024)

Post: #161

(04-30-2024 09:20 PM)TerpsvilleMayor Wrote:

(04-30-2024 08:53 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: Then again, the B1G will approve unequal revenue sharing. No way Northwestern, Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland, Minny make as much as OSU/MICH. Disaster averted...

I’m not sure if or when this will happen.Some schools add value in ways that aren’t seen in the football field. TV still matters. Chicago, Indianapolis, DC, NYC, and Minneapolis still help make millions for BTN annually. That’s literally the B1G’s competitive advantage. These markets also add value to the national contracts every time they go to market.

Also, how would this vote get approved? Of course OSU, Mich, Penn State, USC, and Oregon would likely vote for this.What about Washington, Iowa, and Wisconsin? Are any of those programs consistently good enough to risk balancing their budgets based on football success? Let’s assume all three vote yes, that’s still 10-8 in favor of the status quo.

I can understand getting reduced shares as a schools buys its way in, but unequal revenue sharing feels more unlikely to me with this current membership

Insiders are already predicting it happens in the next Big Ten deal. The conference network subs can only be milked for so long. ACC schools know this.

The decision will be easy for the schools taking a cut if the other path means they lose association with the top brands.

Post: #162

(05-01-2024 07:24 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:

(05-01-2024 05:09 AM)XLance Wrote: The ACC's move into Florida was a huge mistake.
It forced the conference to associate with a school/people that were "different" in that they did not share the same "culture".
There have been those culture clashes since Florida State was added to the ACC.

You mention Clemson's behavior. It is how any ACC member should behave (it's in our culture).

Florida State is a cancer in "our" conference and needs to be removed....no question.

May I quote you on their board? Many of them seem to think that the ACC is their natural home.

You can send that quote to their board of trustees, who seem to think they're a combination of Alabama and Michigan lol

Post: #163

(04-30-2024 08:05 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: JR is either being passive aggressive to see who's paying attention or he's bold as _____. The addition of Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Nebraska and partial USC/ND is the kill shot. In this scenario, it's the SEC and everybody else. No way arguing around it. Thus, realignment is over for the SEC.

The B1G and SEC would be foolish not to explore options for poaching from the other, but inertia likely means that stealing each other's members is a non-starter.

Nebraska to the SEC is one of the few options that looks possible on paper. Nebraska no historical rivals in the B1G, and they've only been in the league for a small % of the program's entire history. If you combine Miami and/or FSU to the SEC at the same time, you bring a couple of Orange Bowl rivals alongside, and hell, maybe Kansas tags along for the ride as well. At that point, Nebraska it would almost be foolish for Nebraska to remain in the B1G when Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, FSU, Miami are all in the SEC.

But I'm not sure the SEC would ever want Nebraska.

The SEC would want Michigan/Ohio St.

(This post was last modified: 05-01-2024 09:09 AM by Eichorst.)

Post: #164

(05-01-2024 07:09 AM)ken d Wrote:

(05-01-2024 05:09 AM)XLance Wrote:

(04-29-2024 12:23 PM)JRsec Wrote:

(04-29-2024 11:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:

(04-27-2024 09:39 PM)ken d Wrote: FSU, wants very badly to get out of the ACC as fast as they can. If they want to join the SEC, and I believe they should and do want that very much, they should use whatever leverage they have to make the SEC and ESPN want to accommodate them. That means trying to convince them that if they don't do that soon, then they will go to the dark side and do what neither the SEC or ESPN want to happen. Consider the FSU AD's comments a veiled threat.

IMO there is a non-trivial strain in the FSU community that would prefer the B1G. Above all, FSU likes to distinguish itself from Florida, and joining the B1G would do that very starkly. There is also a chip-on-shoulder contingent, dating back to the Bowden days, of wanting to beat the SEC rather than join it, and the B1G would serve that purpose too.

That said, I think the majority of the FSU base thinks (knows) the SEC is the natural fit and that the SEC has proven that nobody beats it. Not even an FSU backed by the B1G. So it's time to join the Beast.

We'll see.

I'll drop the business aspect for a moment and just give you my sincere feelings about Florida State. They have been malcontented and ambivalent from the time they first became coed right after WWII. There was no reason for it. They had to build their brand and it was difficult. Bowden came on board and made the right moves scheduling the right schools and putting them on college football world's map. They had marvelous success and as the state grew, they had ample talent to keep them supplied. Florida's AAU status bothered them, why I don't know because it wasn't a thing in the 80's and 90's like it is with the Big 10 now and Florida didn't lord it over everyone. The taking of the ACC offer was one thing. Its public explanation delivered in a way to thumb their nose at the SEC wasn't well received, but Florida wanted them on board, so they were willing to nominate them again in 2011.

IMO they are too conflicted and almost schizophrenic when it comes to having appropriate pride in their accomplishments and maintaining some stupid inferiority complex. I think they will be as much trouble in the SEC as they have been in the ACC and if it was up to me I would rather they go to the Big 10. How strongly do I feel about this? It is why I have eyed Tampa for the conference for so long. A better DMA and a grateful institution if they are taken, and I believe a healthier long-range upside. Sadly, they aren't quite up to speed on facilities though the AAU status should be on everyone's radar with the size of enrollment and the location. Miami would suit me just fine if the SEC took a second Florida school. I have no animosity for FSU, but I have been confused and concerned over their leadership and their M.O. I suspect it concerns others as well.

What I think will happen? ESPN will want to hold onto their advantages in Florida, will help them transition to the SEC, where Clemson may, or may not, tag along and then ESPN extends the ACC contract with possible additions to the ACC. I still contend that is the likeliest outcome. ESPN knows FSU has poisoned their relationships in the ACC, knows the SEC doesn't have to have them and that it would give the SEC more leverage in Florida than ESPN would like for them to have, but at least in the SEC ESPN keeps the leverage for themselves and sharing some passalong with the SEC is minor compared to sharing the state with FOX.

It's a move I wanted and would have welcomed in 1991, but I'd say there's some chill to it now and likely best avoided but won't be. I would be greatly relieved if it was Miami or even South Florida as strange and impractical as that would seem. Relations inside the SEC are stronger than ever. There will be some stress as Texas gets acclimated but that's natural.

In dealing with people, I've found that who they are is seen in how they behave, and they show you their issues over time spent with them. And past 32 years of age most people don't change much. I think the Florida State we all see, is the Florida state any conference that takes them will get. They've spent 30 years now as a major program and their conduct and ambivalence hasn't changed.

Edit: I just wanted to say that Clemson's behavior throughout all of this, and in 1991 though they didn't express a desire to join, has been noteworthy as well, but it far different way. Their consideration, confidentiality, and careful loyalty to the ACC tells me that should they ever move, whatever conference received them would never have reason to regret their decision. Their institutional presentation and what they do and do not say publicly is well prepared, and redemptive for all involved.

The ACC's move into Florida was a huge mistake.
It forced the conference to associate with a school/people that were "different" in that they did not share the same "culture".
There have been those culture clashes since Florida State was added to the ACC.

You mention Clemson's behavior. It is how any ACC member should behave (it's in our culture).

Florida State is a cancer in "our" conference and needs to be removed....no question.

That sounds to me like you would welcome an outcome in which the SEC goes to 18 with Florida State and Kansas and stops there.

What happens then? Does the ACC stay at 16? Does the Big 12 add one to get back to 16? Who do they add? Memphis, perhaps?

The ACC should add Connecticut. They multiply your content value in Basketball better than any other add and you should also take Oregon State.

California, Oregon State, Southern Methodist, Stanford
Boston College, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Clemson, Louisville, Miami, Wake Forest
*Notre Dame

If you go to 18 then South Florida and West Virginia make sense. But with no divisions

The Big 12 should add San Diego State for reach into Southern California for the Arizona schools and Colorado.

Arizona, Brigham Young, San Diego State, Utah
Arizona State, Colorado, Texas Christian, Texas Tech
Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State
Central Florida, Cincinnati, Houston, West Virigina

If the Big 12 goes to 18 then Fresno State and Washington State make sense and Memphis as a replacement for the loss of West Virginia. Again, with no divisions.

Post: #165

(05-01-2024 07:24 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:

(05-01-2024 05:09 AM)XLance Wrote: The ACC's move into Florida was a huge mistake.
It forced the conference to associate with a school/people that were "different" in that they did not share the same "culture".
There have been those culture clashes since Florida State was added to the ACC.

You mention Clemson's behavior. It is how any ACC member should behave (it's in our culture).

Florida State is a cancer in "our" conference and needs to be removed....no question.

May I quote you on their board? Many of them seem to think that the ACC is their natural home.

Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live.
It is asking others to live as one wishes to live.

– Oscar Wilde

Post: #166

(05-01-2024 09:15 AM)JRsec Wrote: The ACC should add Connecticut. They multiply your content value in Basketball better than any other add and you should also take Oregon State.

California, Oregon State, Southern Methodist, Stanford
Boston College, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Clemson, Louisville, Miami, Wake Forest
*Notre Dame

If you go to 18 then South Florida and West Virginia make sense. But with no divisions

What happens to NC State and Georgia Tech?

Post: #167

(05-01-2024 07:41 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:

(04-30-2024 08:05 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: JR is either being passive aggressive to see who's paying attention or he's bold as _____. The addition of Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Nebraska and partial USC/ND is the kill shot. In this scenario, it's the SEC and everybody else. No way arguing around it. Thus, realignment is over for the SEC.

I'm not paying attention. This is a complete mess any way you look at it.

If my Dad could graduate from Michigan then head down South, there's no reason the whole school couldn't do so. See you in College Station soon!

Post: #168

(05-01-2024 09:08 AM)Eichorst Wrote:

(04-30-2024 08:05 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: JR is either being passive aggressive to see who's paying attention or he's bold as _____. The addition of Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Nebraska and partial USC/ND is the kill shot. In this scenario, it's the SEC and everybody else. No way arguing around it. Thus, realignment is over for the SEC.

The B1G and SEC would be foolish not to explore options for poaching from the other, but inertia likely means that stealing each other's members is a non-starter.

Nebraska to the SEC is one of the few options that looks possible on paper. Nebraska no historical rivals in the B1G, and they've only been in the league for a small % of the program's entire history. If you combine Miami and/or FSU to the SEC at the same time, you bring a couple of Orange Bowl rivals alongside, and hell, maybe Kansas tags along for the ride as well. At that point, Nebraska it would almost be foolish for Nebraska to remain in the B1G when Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, FSU, Miami are all in the SEC.

But I'm not sure the SEC would ever want Nebraska.

The SEC would want Michigan/Ohio St.

We would happily add Nebraska b/c it would shift the balance of power in our direction, and getting the OU-Nebraska game in house would be another huge rivalry to add to our stable. However, I can't see Nebraska wanting to make the move, you guys are a slightly better geographical fit in the B1G and share the midwestern vibe and cultural attitude of the core B1G schools. Plus, even though we've seen it recently in the desperate final days of the Pac, it's highly unusual for a school to leave an Academically superior conference for one that they consider to be inferior. It could happen, sure, but I don't think that Nebraska would pull the trigger unless the tea leaves of the future were all pointing towards SEC dominance over the B1G, and Nebraska was just trying to get ahead of the changes.

Post: #169

(05-01-2024 09:44 AM)ken d Wrote:

(05-01-2024 09:15 AM)JRsec Wrote: The ACC should add Connecticut. They multiply your content value in Basketball better than any other add and you should also take Oregon State.

California, Oregon State, Southern Methodist, Stanford
Boston College, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Clemson, Louisville, Miami, Wake Forest
*Notre Dame

If you go to 18 then South Florida and West Virginia make sense. But with no divisions

What happens to NC State and Georgia Tech?

What happens to Texas Tech or WF? Who cares?

Post: #170

(04-27-2024 03:57 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:

(04-27-2024 03:38 PM)Fanofreason Wrote: Big 10 is a national conference. They will eat first.

The regional conference (SEC) gets the leftovers.

Pretty simple guys.

I’ve said this dating back a year ago. Florida and A&M are being evaluated currently as well.

Watch when all this goes down. The power conference standing will be the big 10. And they will only be competing with the NFL soon. A lot of changes are coming to football.

If Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas A&M are leftovers, then I’d be completely fine to be a “regional” conference. Florida St chose the ACC over the SEC for competitive reasons. How could anyone believe Florida St would choose the B1G over the SEC for anything else?

I don’t expect the B1G to get Florida St. However, if they do, I can’t imagine it would be without Miami.

Funny, but I see it as pretty much the opposite. If the B1G gets Florida State, they don't need Miami. However, if Florida State winds up in the SEC, in that case it becomes imperative for the B1G to get Miami.

Post: #171

(05-01-2024 07:09 AM)ken d Wrote:

(05-01-2024 05:09 AM)XLance Wrote:

(04-29-2024 12:23 PM)JRsec Wrote:

(04-29-2024 11:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:

(04-27-2024 09:39 PM)ken d Wrote: FSU, wants very badly to get out of the ACC as fast as they can. If they want to join the SEC, and I believe they should and do want that very much, they should use whatever leverage they have to make the SEC and ESPN want to accommodate them. That means trying to convince them that if they don't do that soon, then they will go to the dark side and do what neither the SEC or ESPN want to happen. Consider the FSU AD's comments a veiled threat.

IMO there is a non-trivial strain in the FSU community that would prefer the B1G. Above all, FSU likes to distinguish itself from Florida, and joining the B1G would do that very starkly. There is also a chip-on-shoulder contingent, dating back to the Bowden days, of wanting to beat the SEC rather than join it, and the B1G would serve that purpose too.

That said, I think the majority of the FSU base thinks (knows) the SEC is the natural fit and that the SEC has proven that nobody beats it. Not even an FSU backed by the B1G. So it's time to join the Beast.

We'll see.

I'll drop the business aspect for a moment and just give you my sincere feelings about Florida State. They have been malcontented and ambivalent from the time they first became coed right after WWII. There was no reason for it. They had to build their brand and it was difficult. Bowden came on board and made the right moves scheduling the right schools and putting them on college football world's map. They had marvelous success and as the state grew, they had ample talent to keep them supplied. Florida's AAU status bothered them, why I don't know because it wasn't a thing in the 80's and 90's like it is with the Big 10 now and Florida didn't lord it over everyone. The taking of the ACC offer was one thing. Its public explanation delivered in a way to thumb their nose at the SEC wasn't well received, but Florida wanted them on board, so they were willing to nominate them again in 2011.

IMO they are too conflicted and almost schizophrenic when it comes to having appropriate pride in their accomplishments and maintaining some stupid inferiority complex. I think they will be as much trouble in the SEC as they have been in the ACC and if it was up to me I would rather they go to the Big 10. How strongly do I feel about this? It is why I have eyed Tampa for the conference for so long. A better DMA and a grateful institution if they are taken, and I believe a healthier long-range upside. Sadly, they aren't quite up to speed on facilities though the AAU status should be on everyone's radar with the size of enrollment and the location. Miami would suit me just fine if the SEC took a second Florida school. I have no animosity for FSU, but I have been confused and concerned over their leadership and their M.O. I suspect it concerns others as well.

What I think will happen? ESPN will want to hold onto their advantages in Florida, will help them transition to the SEC, where Clemson may, or may not, tag along and then ESPN extends the ACC contract with possible additions to the ACC. I still contend that is the likeliest outcome. ESPN knows FSU has poisoned their relationships in the ACC, knows the SEC doesn't have to have them and that it would give the SEC more leverage in Florida than ESPN would like for them to have, but at least in the SEC ESPN keeps the leverage for themselves and sharing some passalong with the SEC is minor compared to sharing the state with FOX.

It's a move I wanted and would have welcomed in 1991, but I'd say there's some chill to it now and likely best avoided but won't be. I would be greatly relieved if it was Miami or even South Florida as strange and impractical as that would seem. Relations inside the SEC are stronger than ever. There will be some stress as Texas gets acclimated but that's natural.

In dealing with people, I've found that who they are is seen in how they behave, and they show you their issues over time spent with them. And past 32 years of age most people don't change much. I think the Florida State we all see, is the Florida state any conference that takes them will get. They've spent 30 years now as a major program and their conduct and ambivalence hasn't changed.

Edit: I just wanted to say that Clemson's behavior throughout all of this, and in 1991 though they didn't express a desire to join, has been noteworthy as well, but it far different way. Their consideration, confidentiality, and careful loyalty to the ACC tells me that should they ever move, whatever conference received them would never have reason to regret their decision. Their institutional presentation and what they do and do not say publicly is well prepared, and redemptive for all involved.

The ACC's move into Florida was a huge mistake.
It forced the conference to associate with a school/people that were "different" in that they did not share the same "culture".
There have been those culture clashes since Florida State was added to the ACC.

You mention Clemson's behavior. It is how any ACC member should behave (it's in our culture).

Florida State is a cancer in "our" conference and needs to be removed....no question.

That sounds to me like you would welcome an outcome in which the SEC goes to 18 with Florida State and Kansas and stops there.

What happens then? Does the ACC stay at 16? Does the Big 12 add one to get back to 16? Who do they add? Memphis, perhaps?

That would be nice for the ACC, but would eventually lead to the same cultural divide within the SEC (with Kansas) that the ACC has with Florida State. But if that is presented, I would take it in a minute.

I think that there are too many schools in the wrong place now, so any movement is a compromise.

A comfortable situation for the ACC/SEC/Big 12 might be:

Louisville moves to the Big 12 for TCU moving to the ACC
Florida State moves to the SEC for South Carolina moving to the ACC

For the ACC the South Carolina add is purely cultural, the TCU add is for market penetration in Texas.
The South Carolina add also eliminates some scheduling difficulties with Clemson on an ongoing basis and would tend to keep the Tigers happy.

The ACC would stay at 17.(more money per school, or if another school was needed to be added for scheduling......Tulane).
The SEC would also stay at 16 (more money per school and there isn't any further additions that would improve their product).

The Big 12 might choose to expand to 18 with Memphis and USF.
Memphis for rivalries, plus it ties the eastern wing to the mid-west, and USF for market penetration in Florida.

Post: #172

(05-01-2024 09:15 AM)JRsec Wrote: Arizona, Brigham Young, San Diego State, Utah
Arizona State, Colorado, Texas Christian, Texas Tech
Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State
Central Florida, Cincinnati, Houston, West Virigina

Adding SDSU shouldn’t be contingent on losing KU.

The B12 as currently constituted is like the game theory example from A Beautiful Mind; it puts everyone (except UCF) as being dependent on Texas recruiting. Take the pay cut to add SDSU and USF and you have a viable conference. Without them, it sucks.

Post: #173

(05-01-2024 12:36 PM)tf8693 Wrote:

(04-27-2024 03:57 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:

(04-27-2024 03:38 PM)Fanofreason Wrote: Big 10 is a national conference. They will eat first.

The regional conference (SEC) gets the leftovers.

Pretty simple guys.

I’ve said this dating back a year ago. Florida and A&M are being evaluated currently as well.

Watch when all this goes down. The power conference standing will be the big 10. And they will only be competing with the NFL soon. A lot of changes are coming to football.

If Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas A&M are leftovers, then I’d be completely fine to be a “regional” conference. Florida St chose the ACC over the SEC for competitive reasons. How could anyone believe Florida St would choose the B1G over the SEC for anything else?

I don’t expect the B1G to get Florida St. However, if they do, I can’t imagine it would be without Miami.

Funny, but I see it as pretty much the opposite. If the B1G gets Florida State, they don't need Miami. However, if Florida State winds up in the SEC, in that case it becomes imperative for the B1G to get Miami.

Could have said the Big Ten didn't need UCLA and yet here were are...

Who knows, maybe Florida State wants Miami to come along?

In the case of Miami and FSU, you have the northern part of the state and the southern part of the state, they are a good combination. Obviously I'd rather have UF and FSU but FSU and Miami aren't a bad consolation pair in the state of Florida.

Post: #174

(05-01-2024 09:39 PM)schmolik Wrote:

(05-01-2024 12:36 PM)tf8693 Wrote:

(04-27-2024 03:57 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:

(04-27-2024 03:38 PM)Fanofreason Wrote: Big 10 is a national conference. They will eat first.

The regional conference (SEC) gets the leftovers.

Pretty simple guys.

I’ve said this dating back a year ago. Florida and A&M are being evaluated currently as well.

Watch when all this goes down. The power conference standing will be the big 10. And they will only be competing with the NFL soon. A lot of changes are coming to football.

If Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas A&M are leftovers, then I’d be completely fine to be a “regional” conference. Florida St chose the ACC over the SEC for competitive reasons. How could anyone believe Florida St would choose the B1G over the SEC for anything else?

I don’t expect the B1G to get Florida St. However, if they do, I can’t imagine it would be without Miami.

Funny, but I see it as pretty much the opposite. If the B1G gets Florida State, they don't need Miami. However, if Florida State winds up in the SEC, in that case it becomes imperative for the B1G to get Miami.

Could have said the Big Ten didn't need UCLA and yet here were are...

Who knows, maybe Florida State wants Miami to come along?

In the case of Miami and FSU, you have the northern part of the state and the southern part of the state, they are a good combination. Obviously I'd rather have UF and FSU but FSU and Miami aren't a bad consolation pair in the state of Florida.

The beauty of FSU to the Big 10 is it frees up the core of the ACC to move together to the SEC. Virginia, Virginia Tech, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami. That's 8 to 24 without the malcontent. That's attractive to the schools which want to stay together, and the SEC is the only one who can take them all. And, that does everything ESPN needs to hold onto what they want to keep.

It's a perspective lacking on this board.

Post: #175

(05-01-2024 09:48 PM)JRsec Wrote: The beauty of FSU to the Big 10 is it frees up the core of the ACC to move together to the SEC. Virginia, Virginia Tech, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami. That's 8 to 24 without the malcontent. That's attractive to the schools which want to stay together, and the SEC is the only one who can take them all. And, that does everything ESPN needs to hold onto what they want to keep.

It's a perspective lacking on this board.

That's new.

Florida State was never a 'malcontent' in your scenarios until it looked like the school really might go to the B1G Ten.

(This post was last modified: 05-01-2024 11:06 PM by Gitanole.)

Post: #176

(05-01-2024 10:54 PM)Gitanole Wrote:

(05-01-2024 09:48 PM)JRsec Wrote: The beauty of FSU to the Big 10 is it frees up the core of the ACC to move together to the SEC. Virginia, Virginia Tech, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami. That's 8 to 24 without the malcontent. That's attractive to the schools which want to stay together, and the SEC is the only one who can take them all. And, that does everything ESPN needs to hold onto what they want to keep.

It's a perspective lacking on this board.

Florida State wasn't a 'malcontent' in JR scenarios until he really thought the school might go to the B1G Ten.

No, they have been a malcontent since the decision in '91. My scenarios are what I believe to be likely based upon the business of the conference, the business of the most schools, which favors the local over the remote, and what I know of the SEC's preferences, particularly those of UF and South Carolina. I've not been a personal proponent of FSU at all since '91, when I did think they made great sense in the SEC. They and Clemson were part of the original six the SEC decided to go after when Roy Kramer was commissioner. The way the state of Florida has grown since the early 90's tells me the conference would be much better off if it were represented in more areas down the length of the state. I'd much prefer to see the SEC expand with Miami to reach a different part of the state (though I acknowledge the culture of the area is quite different from the rest of the SEC), or perhaps someday with USF as I like the business synergies of a school on the Gulf for a conference which encompasses most of it.

FSU has a nice campus in an accessible part of the state for most of the more Southern located SEC schools and LSU has I10 for reasonable access. But the footprint with that of UF duplicates much of each other's coverage. And as far as how your administration has run hot and cold in its associations with ESPN, the SEC, and the ACC, and has done so for 30 years and through different presidents, I'd say your personality pattern is established, and it is less than collegial. That has been noted by more than just me, and I'm not talking about those on this board.

If ESPN wants to retain you and can manage it through channels you will be in regardless of how those not enamored of your school feel. But the scenario laid out isn't farfetched given UNC's desires and the schools they would prefer around them. There's still plenty to watch unfold. But FSU isn't essential to the SEC success or domination of the region. You are currently the only program which will permit the SEC to carry the super majority of the viewership in the state when paired with Florida. But then a lot of the 35% for FSU and 42% for UF which identify as college viewers are duplicated viewers which watch both. That's less so in the Southern part of the state.

How ESPN chooses to play the viewership angle will be interesting. I think should you go to the Big 10 you will be in for a surprise with regard to local scheduling. Dress warm and blessings upon your baseball and softball players.

Post: #177

The thing with Miami being an odd cultural fit for a league or having a goofball stadium situation or showing an unconventional alumni/T-shirt fan distribution is that all of this is their brand. They're the odd bird. The anti-Texas, the anti-Michigan. None of the usual rah-rah pennant-waving conventions apply.

That was the fun of it when Schnellenberger's team upended a big-necked corn-fed SI-darling Nebraska squad in the 1980s and it has been the Hurricanes' calling card ever since. It is what makes their show entertaining for those who find it entertaining and what makes it irksome for those who find it irksome. It's what you get.

(This post was last modified: Yesterday 12:32 AM by Gitanole.)

Post: #178

(05-01-2024 11:42 PM)Gitanole Wrote: The thing with Miami being an odd cultural fit for a league or having a goofball stadium situation or showing an unconventional alumni and T-shirt fan distribution is that all of this is their brand. They're the odd bird. The anti-Texas, the anti-Michigan. None of the usual rah-rah pennant-waving conventions apply.

That was the fun of it when Schnellenberger's team upended a big-necked corn-fed Nebraska SI-darling juggernaut in the 1980s and it has been the Hurricanes' calling card ever since. It is what makes their show entertaining for those who find it entertaining and what makes it irksome for those who find it irksome. It's what you get.

It is however unique. Auburn won a game there in an actual hurricane (CAT 1) when it hit and a tropical storm at gametime. I think the score was 3-0 and that would have been back in the early 70's. But hey, College Station, and Baton Rouge are kind of unique as well.

Post: #179

(05-01-2024 11:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:

(05-01-2024 10:54 PM)Gitanole Wrote:

(05-01-2024 09:48 PM)JRsec Wrote: ....
The beauty of FSU to the Big 10 is it frees up the core of the ACC to move together to the SEC. Virginia, Virginia Tech, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami. That's 8 to 24 without the malcontent. That's attractive to the schools which want to stay together, and the SEC is the only one who can take them all. And, that does everything ESPN needs to hold onto what they want to keep.

It's a perspective lacking on this board.

That's new.

Florida State was never a 'malcontent' in your scenarios until it looked like the school really might go to the B1G Ten.

No, they have been a malcontent since the decision in '91.
...

Whether they have or not, your use of this descriptor is a phenomenon of spring 2024. Just an observation.

It's not the only thing that's new. What happened to Kansas? (Are you feeling OK?)

(This post was last modified: Yesterday 05:18 AM by Gitanole.)

Post: #180

(05-01-2024 08:40 AM)esayem Wrote:

(04-30-2024 09:20 PM)TerpsvilleMayor Wrote:

(04-30-2024 08:53 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: Then again, the B1G will approve unequal revenue sharing. No way Northwestern, Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland, Minny make as much as OSU/MICH. Disaster averted...

I’m not sure if or when this will happen.Some schools add value in ways that aren’t seen in the football field. TV still matters. Chicago, Indianapolis, DC, NYC, and Minneapolis still help make millions for BTN annually. That’s literally the B1G’s competitive advantage. These markets also add value to the national contracts every time they go to market.

Also, how would this vote get approved? Of course OSU, Mich, Penn State, USC, and Oregon would likely vote for this.What about Washington, Iowa, and Wisconsin? Are any of those programs consistently good enough to risk balancing their budgets based on football success? Let’s assume all three vote yes, that’s still 10-8 in favor of the status quo.

I can understand getting reduced shares as a schools buys its way in, but unequal revenue sharing feels more unlikely to me with this current membership

Insiders are already predicting it happens in the next Big Ten deal. The conference network subs can only be milked for so long. ACC schools know this.

The decision will be easy for the schools taking a cut if the other path means they lose association with the top brands.

You seem to have the B1G confused with the ACC.